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2011 TREZ Pokémon Tournament

Hosted by Yatterman-2 aka Torchman

Rules written by Saberman

Entries Begin: February 28, 2011

Entries End: April 13, 2011 (will be extended if there are not enough competitors)

Round 1 Begins: April 19, 2011 (6 days given to give the host(s) time to prepare the brackets)

~Tournament Rules~
-All battles will be fought 6 on 6 Single Battle style using Pokémon Online, a battle simulator. The program could be found here: http://www.pokemon-online.eu/

*Regarding the Program*
1. Use the Team Builder to build your team. This program prevents ALL cheating, so illegal movesets or stats are not possible. Please keep and utilize all 510 EVs available. If you need help building teams as far as strategy goes, use this link to help you out.
2. Please create your Trainer using your current TREZ name to make it easy to recognize you.
3. A server will be created especially for TREZ to use for the tournament so non-TREZians cannot access the server. The name and password to enter the server will be posted shortly.
4. During EACH match in the tourney, AT LEAST 2 users must have Pokémon Online open, present on the aforementioned server,and select "Become a Spectator/Watch This Battle" and become spectators. These two or more users will be watching the battle to the end and observing the battle logs. This is to have a witness for disconnects and/or be rules consultants/judges (i.e., someone uses a Pokémon that they didn't register, use Gen. 5 stuff, etc.)

Banned Pokemon and Abilities


-Entrants may register two additional Pokémon (aside from their team of 6) to swap into their team between battles. If a competitor is caught using a Pokémon aside from the total of 8 registered, that competitor will be disqualified.

-There will be 32 total entrants in the tournament. If there is not enough it will be cut down to 16.

Final Notes:
Prize will be announced later on.
Please post any questions here. Post Entries in this thread using the following template:

Trainer Name:

Pokémon Roster (6):
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Sub Pokémon (2):
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Saberman
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Mar 20 2011, 04:07 PM
100 Base Stats all around is pushing it.
The Gen IV Trio are very OP, especially Uxie and Azelf.
Regis I can kind of understand, but they are still abnormally strong.
Entei and Raikou are kind of fine, but Suicune is pushing it.
Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres I can understand.
I don't now enough about gen V to make a statement, I've only played up to 4.
Mew I just think should be gone. It's the biggest swiss army knife of pokemon, being greater than arceus.

If you can counter the legendary birds you can counter the dogs.

Regi's all lose to fighting. It's that easy >_>

Gen V I'm leaning to no legendaries. Just because of the unknownness.
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I don't think the Regis losing to Fighting that easily is a fair statement. Even super-effective moves do mediocre damage unboosted. Very rarely will you 1HKO them. However, they're still easily countered using other means, which warrants them being able to be used.
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They are simply too powerful, as with nearly all legendaries. Just because they are weak to a semi-decent type, so are all legendaries.
Mewtwo is weak to Bug, Dark Ghost. Ho-Oh has a 4x weakness. Still overpowered, and still banned.
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I'll be analyzing the Gen. 5 Legendaries more soon, so before we jump to banning them all, wait a bit for me to report back with what's overpowered and what's not.

Suicune has ALWAYS been OU, so he's fine, as well as everyone who never jumped onto the Uber list. Celebi, Jirachi, Cresselia, etc. were never Uber. I think those guys at Smogon know what they're doing, battle testing is one of the main focuses over there.

Salamence and Garchomp, as well as the Latis and everyone else who was once an Uber and now isn't, I'll think about.

I think the list I posted most recently from Smogon (the one that includes a few of the main non-trio Gen. 5 legendaries) plus other bans that I'll report back with is the best solution. Mew is banned for anyone confused.
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Salamence and Garchomp, as well as the Latis and everyone else who was once an Uber and now isn't, I'll think about.

Those 3 are fine. I've been running through Latias' and Garchomps all day like they were nothing. The new dragons (Haxrous and Hydreigon) just destroy the older guys like a joke. Even after that Ditto provides coverage to all the dragons as well. An icebeam from a bulky Swampert (or other random water pokemon) can 2HKO all of them as well. Theres just so many more checks to all of them now its ok for them not to be considered uber.
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Exactly. The H Dragons are the new bad boys in town. Haxorus just outclasses Garchomp in every way, as does Hydreigon to Salamence. Same could be said for the Latis. The only reason why I even brought up considering to ban Salamence, Garchomp and the Latis is because only me and you are familiar (you more than me) with the Gen. 5 metagame out of the users here.

EDIT: Fixed.
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Just realized that they both start with H (used to calling it Sazandora). If you were considering banning them I'd agree with Haxorus, but not with Hydreigon. Theres a lot more counters to Hydreigon than there are to Haxorus.
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By "them" I meant the old Dragons. As for the new ones, Haxorus is likely. I've used him on my PO team and I've both swept entire teams from the start and come back from huge deficits (me losing 4-5 team members with Haxorus being the last one) with him holding Focus Sash and using a single Dragon Dance.
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Oops, thought you were talking about the new ones. Even if you did put the old ones back on the list it wouldn't really start to much of a problem with the tourny, it'd just be 3 dragon pokemon you couldn't choose from that have better choices out there anyways. And about your Haxorus, thats excatly how I run mine. Its the most amazing comeback in the meta right now.
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So I'm leaning on banning Haxorus, as it will cause an unfair near-guaranteed win for whoever uses it. Unless we make everyone in the tourney use it, then it might balance out. OR, we can just ban the item Focus Sash for Haxorus, or Dragon Dance.
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I go with just banning Haxorus, focus sash isn't that broken and dragon dance really isn't either. Its just Haxorus' stats that make it soo good. And the only check for it is like a ditto. Even with Dragon Dance banned it would still have swords.
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I know those two things aren't broken, I meant banning those two on Haxorus.
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Many people don't realise that Garchomp can learn Swords Dance.
Makes for fun sweepings.
Similar with Dragonite and Dragon Dance.

I say that anyone who was considered an Uber in Gen III and above should be banned. It'd just get annoying if we start spamming legendaries and pseudo legendaries in matches.

And Haxorus doesn't seem all that deadly to me. To take advantage of his dragon typing, he either has to lock himself in Outrage, or go with the much weaker Dragon Claw. Anything else is too unreliable.
He also has no defence, or special defence.
A Rhyperior with Avalanche would make quick work of him.
Any heavy hitter with an ice type more, and either speed, or good defence should be able to knock him out.
Oh, and theres always Bronzong.
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Haxorus still has other buffs, and sash could be replaced with scarf or band which would make him more deadly.

They had an uber list in Gen III? O:
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I say that anyone who was considered an Uber in Gen III and above should be banned. It'd just get annoying if we start spamming legendaries and pseudo legendaries in matches.
That's OU for you though. And plus, the only non-obvious that were ever on the list were Salamence and Garchomp. The Latis as well.

Also, have you seen Haxorus in action? It's causing more of a stir this early on than Garchomp ever did.

Alright, because of the push to ban the old Dragons, Haxorus must go as well due to common sense. The old Dragons are still under review.

That brings our list to:

Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys-A
Deoxys
Dialga
Giratina
Giratina-O
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Kyogre
Lugia
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Shaymin-S
Wobbuffet
Wynaut
Victini
Haxorus
Reshiram
Zekrom
Kyurem
Keldeo
Meloetta
Genosect

I'll be developing this list in the coming days as I explore the metagame more. Lots of additions and subtractions may and/or will occur.

@Yatterman: Please add 1 month to all dates except the "Entries Begin" date (that's common sense, there's no reason to edit that one).
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I think the ability shadow tag should be banned, or else a lot of people are gonna rage at Shandera sweeping their team.
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Wynaut just ban Shandera entirely? Like you said earlier in the Haxorus case, it's much easier to bar a Pokemon for any cheap characteristics altogether rather than just ban the ability or move. IIRC, the only other Shadow Taggers are already banned.
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Gen V seems to have a good amount of completely broken pokemon.
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Not necessarily. We've only found two OP non-Legendaries as of right now, and one of them is virtually a pseudo. That's an average number. Still researching.
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In my opinion the only thing that makes Shandera good at all is Shadow Tag, I've battled through Shanderas with other abilities and those aren't as scary at all.
And I gotta agree with Albon. Gen V has a lot more broken stuff than Gen IV or any of the other generations had.
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