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Rogue is Broken
Topic Started: Aug 3 2010, 04:27 PM (2,368 Views)
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agree or disagree.

i'll just say sf 2 rogue for this one. sf 3 rogue can die in a ditch.

give a yes/no and explain your reasoning.

basically i've always been curious as to the misguided opinions on this so i'm asking now. thnx.

and i'm talking about the forms e.e i had assumed this was stupidly obvious. no one gives a damn about the bosses unless your name is brianuuu or jack.
Edited by ToonMega, Aug 5 2010, 11:07 AM.
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I really don't care as of yet, because Rogue is Rogue, so if you want to discuss which is more broken, talk about Bass. We've only seen Rogue in 2 games. Therefore you can not have a true opinion.
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One game is usually enough to discuss if something is broken, take rouge noise and swordfighter for example...
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I haven't played SF3 but Rogue isn't that hard. At first, he WAS broken. But eventually you can just do a little prediction on him.
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I really don't care as of yet, because Rogue is Rogue, so if you want to discuss which is more broken, talk about Bass. We've only seen Rogue in 2 games. Therefore you can not have a true opinion.
i lmaowtf'd

i meant the form son. not the boss. no boss is broken. srsly e.e


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One game is usually enough to discuss if something is broken, take rouge noise and swordfighter for example...


you sir have just gone onto my hate list.

first off it's ROGUE. rouge is a type of makeup. i cannot explain in words how much that IRRITATES me when people do that. THIS. IS. NOT. SONIC. ROUGE. AND. ROGUE. ARE. DIFFERENT. second off rogue noise is NOT broken. lrn2gemini. they have no para body. low hp. simply because you don't run SA and para body and fail at locking on does not make him broken. it just means you suck at fighting him. lrn2adapt. second, sword fighter isn't broken. you want broken? club strong and bushido said hi. lrn2superarmor. sword fighter is worthless until you land heat upper and destroy your opponent's SA. how the hell is it broken when it's hard as hell to set up against a GOOD player? explain that to me.

if you lose super armor you can just as easily have the s*** beat out of you with things that aren't sword fighter. bushido can combo faster and better than sword fighter. it has no startup lag. very little end lag. it pierces invis. it has north wind effect. if you shield it, you're gonna get hit with the next one. when bushido is used with ophiuca it confuses you which means no shielding and more getting hit. sword fighter does nothing of the sort. wanna talk about other broken stuff? club strong. auto hit mega version of dragon sky which can do just as much damage. oh grass panels are sooooo hard to set up with grass support in existence right? you know nothing of what's broken apparently. you just look at whatever you lose to due to YOUR OWN incompetence and automatically think it's not you it must just be broken right? and lrn2spell.






anyway, i was referring to sf 2 rogue form. rogue saurian, ninja, zerker.



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@the person who said one game isn't enough to tell if something's broken.

here's why it is; a form/character/boss changes between games. was bass the same in exe 1 as in exe 6? nah. also, look at fox in melee and brawl. in melee he was a beast. in brawl, he sucks. one game actually IS the only way you can tell. even though they have the same name, they're in a different catagory. rogue ninja =/= rogue noise. they're different. taurus fire from sf 1 =/= taurus fire from sf3... wait ya he does.. he's still pathetic... ok back on track, sf 3 rogue =/= sf 2 rogue. if ONE thing is changed at all about the game physics or the character's power/moves then the character in the other game is different. only bound by a name and whatever moves he retained. this is most easily shown in fighting games really. but i'll stop now.
Edited by ToonMega, Aug 4 2010, 12:48 AM.
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Nah. SF2's Rogue isn't broken. The 400 LP thing evens it out, I guess.
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Nah. SF2's Rogue isn't broken. The 400 LP thing evens it out, I guess.
there's more to it than that but i won't say anything at this moment.
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You think so? With 2's insane para-freeze combos, Burai forms don't seem to be too much of a threat. I believe Berserk Burai with WCC has the highest potential.
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Nah. SF2's Rogue isn't broken. The 400 LP thing evens it out, I guess.
there's more to it than that but i won't say anything at this moment.
Yeah, you wouldn't. Because, I know you're Rogue in one of your SF2 files.
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You think so? With 2's insane para-freeze combos, Burai forms don't seem to be too much of a threat. I believe Berserk Burai with WCC has the highest potential.
no i don't think so lol. but i heard of other people who did so the title wasn't my statement it was more of a topic "is rogue broken?" or "rogue is broken. agree or disagree."

WCC is standard. berserk sword has flaws. it's best with zerker tbh. dif rogues run dif things.



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Yeah, you wouldn't. Because, I know you're Rogue in one of your SF2 files.


i am?
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Geez, cmon Sora. I know its you <.<
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Geez, cmon Sora. I know its you <.<
who's sora? that chick from digimonz? me =/= girl. ^_^
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@the person who said one game isn't enough to tell if something's broken.

here's why it is; a form/character/boss changes between games. was bass the same in exe 1 as in exe 6? nah. also, look at fox in melee and brawl. in melee he was a beast. in brawl, he sucks. one game actually IS the only way you can tell. even though they have the same name, they're in a different catagory. rogue ninja =/= rogue noise. they're different. taurus fire from sf 1 =/= taurus fire from sf3... wait ya he does.. he's still pathetic... ok back on track, sf 3 rogue =/= sf 2 rogue. if ONE thing is changed at all about the game physics or the character's power/moves then the character in the other game is different. only bound by a name and whatever moves he retained. this is most easily shown in fighting games really. but i'll stop now.
Actually... You are somewhat wrong.

Not All of the time this applies. Sometime it does.

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first off it's ROGUE. rouge is a type of makeup. i cannot explain in words how much that IRRITATES me when people do that.
Yeah... Me too. :depressed:

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One game is usually enough to discuss if something is broken, take rouge noise and swordfighter for example...


you sir have just gone onto my hate list.
Louman7777777 is right. He knows what he is talking about...
Rogue Noise adds +50 to swords... SwordFighterX + Rogue Noise = Cheap Victory.
[(60+50)*5]=550

And if you add NKG... Sword+20 and/or Sword+10...
[(60+50+20+10)*5]=700

And if you add Star @ LV6... +30
[(60+50+20+10+30)*5]=850

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anyway, i was referring to sf 2 rogue form. rogue saurian, ninja, zerker.
Yeah um... I just wanted to make some things clear... :)
Edit that first damn post and put that there to stop confusion.

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stuff.




well most of the time. my point was that rogue noise =/= rogue ninja. sf 2 rogue =/= sf 3 rogue. that's the point. also, things can be included in a later game to better counter -insert w/e here- and thus make it less effective. thus, it is counted apart from its previous version. example, in brawl marth is pretty much only countered by meta knight. he's 7th on the tier list. if another version of brawl was made and got rid of meta knight, marth's position would jump up pretty far. however, this isn't the argument at hand so i'm not continuing this.
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blame sonic e.e and his stupid bat bitch "rouge"

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he didn't go onto my hate list because he said rogue is broken. he went there because he said "rouge" e.e
also no it isn't broken. rogue noise hits hard. simple. however, he can be hit equally as hard. he has no para body. gemini wrecks the hell out of rogue. everyone runs swords and everyone should have a gemini brother if it bothers them so much. also, sword fighter doesn't do much if you're smart enough to have SA and para body. if he takes them away he simply combos you into oblivion. my rogue noise only runs 4 sword fighter x because that's pretty much standard. sword fighter 3 can rot. the ones who run 20 sword fighters aren't "cheap" but "uncreative". but no rogue noise is very much beatable.
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-see above- <_< NKG isn't even allowed in standard play son. so why bother mentioning it? and attack stars??? wtf are you talking about you do know this is PvP and no one gives a damn about in game right? but in that case wolf x gemini is pretty damn cheap too. he does 450 with sword fighter(a hundred isn't a big deal. he simply can't break aura with it but he has other ways of doing so) and he has LONGER paralysis than rogue because of gemini. is he broken too? actually wolf x gemini is MUCH better than rogue. why? quick gauge. he has a full turn to stall with invis assuming your opponent doesn't get mega boost(and don't start on how invis is broken. it isn't.) also, wolf x gemini CAN run parabody. he has more link power. he also has bro roulette. do you realize how good bro roulette actually is? bro roulette has granted people i know with 5 dragon sky GX in sf 2. it makes a BIIIG difference. wanna know another dif? wolf x gemini can multi noise. what does this do? it ends a para chain. rogue, however, cannot do this and thus is susceptible to being combo'd to hell because he can't escape out of it. wolf is a million times more dangerous than rogue. hell, ophiuca is more dangerous than rogue. ophi x wolf + club or bushido can tear ANYTHING to pieces with no issue whatsoever. sorry but you're wrong on this one. if you want to continue this debate be my guest. however, i know a few pro players and i've played them many times. i know the meta game rather well and i highly doubt you can convince me. especially considering rogue is mid tier.
and also.. if he only runs sword fighter which does 110.. that means he has no way of breaking holy aura lmfao just holy aura his ass if you think he's so broken hahaha
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k e.e i assumed people would be smart enough to know that there's no way in hell anyone would accuse the bosses of being "broken". i guess i overestimated the intelligence of these people. my bad. e.e
Edited by ToonMega, Aug 5 2010, 11:06 AM.
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I always use the Wolf x Gemini... And to break auras... DBC will show you that... Whistle.

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k e.e i assumed people would be smart enough to know that there's no way in hell anyone would accuse the bosses of being "broken". i guess i overestimated the intelligence of these people. my bad. e.e

If you are calling me stupid then you are pathetic. If you knew who I really was then you wouldn't say that.


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and attack stars??? wtf are you talking about you do know this is PvP and no one gives a damn about in game right?
Wrong... You can get them out of PvP...

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wanna know another dif?
I actually know how the game is programmed. I know how this shit works.
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Rogue forms AND HIMSELF are ALL broken. B-R-O to the K-E-N.
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sorry but you're wrong on this one. if you want to continue this debate be my guest. however, i know a few pro players and i've played them many times. i know the meta game rather well and i highly doubt you can convince me. especially considering rogue is mid tier.
Here's the thing... I am pro. I know how the game works inside out... The question is... Do you know it ToonMega? Do you know how to make games? Do you know how to program? Do you know how SF3 Engine was built so that you can give a proper explanation? O_o


I never said it was better... I only just wanted to point some things out.


EDIT THAT NEMO HOPEFULLY SEEZ:
Yeah um... I know this is getting off topic...
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I always use the Wolf x Gemini... And to break auras... DBC will show you that... Whistle.

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k e.e i assumed people would be smart enough to know that there's no way in hell anyone would accuse the bosses of being "broken". i guess i overestimated the intelligence of these people. my bad. e.e

If you are calling me stupid then you are pathetic. If you knew who I really was then you wouldn't say that.


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and attack stars??? wtf are you talking about you do know this is PvP and no one gives a damn about in game right?
Wrong... You can get them out of PvP...

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wanna know another dif?
I actually know how the game is programmed. I know how this shit works.
i know whistle i'm saying that only a random scrub would run 20 sword fighters. and you can run 5 auras you know. no one runs 5 whistles. you missed the point completely. the most whistles run would be 2 or 3. simply running 3 auras alone with holy panel can wall a sword fighter spammer long enough for you to wreck them. you don't even need 5.

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i never said you were stupid e.e i meant i assumed they would be smart enough to know that there's no way in hell i would ask if a boss was broken. especially not rogue and especially not a starforce boss. did YOU say a boss was broken? no. chill out and stop being so defensive. also, idc who anyone is my opinion will stand. status cannot make me think otherwise so saying that really did you no good.

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uhm.. right. attack stars aren't allowed in pvp. in a typical match neither players are using attack stars. if there's a glitch to get them inside of pvp that's called "cheating". stop splitting hairs. it does nothing for your argument.

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and you assume i don't? <_< i was explaining it. i never said you didn't know. i was bringing attention to a few points that supported my argument.
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seriously e.e


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Rogue forms AND HIMSELF are ALL broken. B-R-O to the K-E-N.


and you're probably a random scrub who gets wrecked by them. don't start with me. in sf 2 using rogue puts you at a constant disadvantage. in sf 3 it serves to piss off 11 year olds.

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Here's the thing... I am pro. I know how the game works inside out... The question is... Do you know it ToonMega? Do you know how to make games? Do you know how to program? Do you know how SF3 Engine was built so that you can give a proper explanation? O_o


I never said it was better... I only just wanted to point some things out.


EDIT THAT NEMO HOPEFULLY SEEZ:
Yeah um... I know this is getting off topic...


orly? i doubt a pro would be so bold as to actually think rogue is broken. broken means no known strategy works against it. or it has an advantage over everything. no counter. there are many ways to counter rogue. you just refuse to acccept that fact.
uhm.. that point was very off because knowing how to "make games" does NOT make you good. i don't need to know about the sf 3 engine. i simply know the meta game. none of those things helped your case for "being a pro" AT ALL.
i don't know everything about brawl's physics engine and i've wrecked many people with LINK aka the second worst char. your point is invalid.
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orly? i doubt a pro would be so bold as to actually think rogue is broken. broken means no known strategy works against it. or it has an advantage over everything. no counter. there are many ways to counter rogue. you just refuse to acccept that fact.
uhm.. that point was very off because knowing how to "make games" does NOT make you good. i don't need to know about the sf 3 engine. i simply know the meta game. none of those things helped your case for "being a pro" AT ALL.
i don't know everything about brawl's physics engine and i've wrecked many people with LINK aka the second worst char. your point is invalid.

I never said that Rogue Noise was broken...

Thus... That comment is void.
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