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Aug 12 2011, 01:53 PM
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Aug 7 2010, 05:11 AM
I hope you realize the fate of franchises that are milked for all they're worth. take Naruto for instance.. it was a pretty decent anime.. but now that they've taken it much further than it was supposed to go it slowly got worse and worse and now it's just terrible. it's not even worth mentioning. sf 3 was the ending. sf 4 would be milking it. however decent a series megaman sf was would be diminished by continuing it when it doesn't need to be continued. it's also worth noting that some of the greatest anime/games are ones that know when it's time to end. Code Geass was amazing and it ended perfect. Death Note is another example. Metroid Prime(not the entire metroid series just the prime series). etc.
an example of a franchise that doesn't know when to die; sonic. sonic is just plain terrible now. he used to be good but now every game is a continued disappointment. i know some younger megaman fans who are like 12 or 13 or w/e would want another sf game because they're fans, but it's really for the best that it ends with sf 3.
Completely true. The company either wants more money is just plain retarded. They seriously need to stop with the whole, "I WANT MOOOOORE WHEEEEEEEEE~!" thing. It's annoying
I can't completely agree with that. Granted Capcom being as it is, I do think a Starforce 4 is viable and possible. The thing about it is that it has to be given the time and resources necessary to be successful.
In other words there has to be heart in the game, not just making it for the sake of making it.
That's the problem with Battle Network 4-6. While the gameplay was good almost all other aspects weren't given enough development, particularly the plot.
That was also the problem with OSS, but that's a discussion for another day.

The thing I seem to be seeing when people explain why there shouldn't be an Starforce 4 is that Subaru's dad is back. The thing is Warrock is still there, and the world isn't safe just because Subaru's dad is home.

I will say there doesn't need to be a Starforce 4, but that doesn't mean there can't/shouldn't be.
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Aug 18 2011, 06:49 PM
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Aug 12 2011, 01:53 PM
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Aug 7 2010, 05:11 AM
I hope you realize the fate of franchises that are milked for all they're worth. take Naruto for instance.. it was a pretty decent anime.. but now that they've taken it much further than it was supposed to go it slowly got worse and worse and now it's just terrible. it's not even worth mentioning. sf 3 was the ending. sf 4 would be milking it. however decent a series megaman sf was would be diminished by continuing it when it doesn't need to be continued. it's also worth noting that some of the greatest anime/games are ones that know when it's time to end. Code Geass was amazing and it ended perfect. Death Note is another example. Metroid Prime(not the entire metroid series just the prime series). etc.
an example of a franchise that doesn't know when to die; sonic. sonic is just plain terrible now. he used to be good but now every game is a continued disappointment. i know some younger megaman fans who are like 12 or 13 or w/e would want another sf game because they're fans, but it's really for the best that it ends with sf 3.
Completely true. The company either wants more money is just plain retarded. They seriously need to stop with the whole, "I WANT MOOOOORE WHEEEEEEEEE~!" thing. It's annoying
I can't completely agree with that. Granted Capcom being as it is, I do think a Starforce 4 is viable and possible. The thing about it is that it has to be given the time and resources necessary to be successful.
In other words there has to be heart in the game, not just making it for the sake of making it.
That's the problem with Battle Network 4-6. While the gameplay was good almost all other aspects weren't given enough development, particularly the plot.
That was also the problem with OSS, but that's a discussion for another day.

The thing I seem to be seeing when people explain why there shouldn't be an Starforce 4 is that Subaru's dad is back. The thing is Warrock is still there, and the world isn't safe just because Subaru's dad is home.

I will say there doesn't need to be a Starforce 4, but that doesn't mean there can't/shouldn't be.
Its can be made,but it shouldn't. MMSF 4 will be more or less BN4,BN3 had the best story and probably the dnd of the series,and BN4-6 was made solely for gameplay and multiplayer.Like they said,it will just milked and turn to another average game for SF.
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If you could see death——you couldn't even manage to stand.
... Being able to see the 'death' of things mean you're forced to see the world's fragility and uncertainty.
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That is what it means to see death. These eyes, this power isn't something you can boast about like you did.
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I want to reming you tha MEgaman X series was supose to finish on X5....do you know how many games they made after that???What means that?that never be sure about Capcom.every game they made has a big storyline with average 4-5 titles (always for famous and popular tittles)...So we never know.....
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Aug 20 2011, 09:36 AM
I want to reming you tha MEgaman X series was supose to finish on X5....do you know how many games they made after that???What means that?that never be sure about Capcom.every game they made has a big storyline with average 4-5 titles (always for famous and popular tittles)...So we never know.....
Read the bold part. MMSF was never really famous or popular.It was nowhere nearly as famous as BN series,and IMO,nowhere near as good.

They might end because they leeched all of he could on this game.And if he leeches more,they will just lose money creating it.

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"What you and I see are totally different.
All you're seeing is life. You don't understand death at all. That's why you can't kill me, and you're only able to kill a weakened woman.
If you could see death, you couldn't maintain your sanity. All you can perceive is the part which keeps things alive.
If you could see death——you couldn't even manage to stand.
... Being able to see the 'death' of things mean you're forced to see the world's fragility and uncertainty.
The ground is like it's not there, and the sky seems about to fall at any moment.
... You don't know of the illusion that the whole world could perish in an instant.
That is what it means to see death. These eyes, this power isn't something you can boast about like you did.
That's your mistake, vampire. Life and death may be back to back, but they shall never face each other.
I'll show you.
This is what it means to kill something."
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Aug 11 2011, 05:48 PM
If they were to make an SF4, I think bringing duo back would seem too easy and cheap a plot point for me.

My idea may be complicated but What I think should happen is that it links SF with the BN series. Years after BN6 in the final battle with Megaman.EXE and Bass.EXE Lan manages only to contain Bass as for the past 6 games he could not be killed. Skip to present day in SF, Bass finally breaks out and defeats the Colonel program who has protected the net and guarded bass all this time and the deletes the Iris program which continuously expanded the net to its current wave world form, thus causing problems for the EM dependent society.

Bass vowing revenge on the human race for imprisoning him finds an old copy bot and then uses hit Get ability program on a wizard thus being able to manifest himself in the Wave Road.

Then Lan foreseeing this event had Megaman.EXE and other trusted navi's stored away till needed again. So Megaman.EXE wakes up goes in a copy bot and works at WAZA as the new scientist introduced into the story by Dr. Goodall with the alias Dr. Hubert as she likes to give nicknames. Then eventually meets up with Megaman SF, and will help him out in the wave world with his created wizard program X, when fused with Hub they become Megaman X. (An excuse to have traditional BN and the newer SF gameplay in the same game)

Other plot points I have in mind include:

Some evil person finds the prison where Bass was held offers his help but in the process also copies all of Bass' stored copy powers from different navis into new Wizards (an excuse to fight old BN foes) Bass works with person at first till Bass does as Bass always does.

Bass' get ability is actually based of Mu tech that Dr Cossack discovered (his slashed navi symbol turning out to be the Mu symbol) so Rouge protects Bass.

Megaman SF could fuse with all the past ally navis while the new Megaman X could fuse with all the new villains.

Anyone willing to give their thoughts on my idea for a new SF4?
What you are saying is completely wrong for me. We're talking about the "Starforce" series, not the Battle network series. Battle network is long over now, and I'm pretty sure that Capcom won't bring BN back. What I think is that they should bring Duo back into SF, so he can test the humans once more, like how he said in BN4 that he will pass their planet again and test them. But if they don't do that, then Duo saying that in BN4 would completely be pointless for me. Also, the fact that you want BN to link with SF, is totally wrong for me. I now it's just your ideas but still...
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Aug 20 2011, 09:36 AM
MEgaman X series was supose to finish on X5
Keiji Infune ended the series at X6 not X5.
Capcom just continued for the sake of money,and thus,making X7 and X8.

Ontopic: I really liked the SF series,The Plot was great and the battle system awesome.
but to Capcom:Star Force. Why? Not enough money.

Now,IF Star Force 3 made enough sales (let's just say,Like Pokemon B/W ),they would make another game.
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I didn't knew that Sf wasn't so popular.....I read that BA made more sales than RJ on wikipedia...
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Aug 20 2011, 11:04 AM
I didn't knew that Sf wasn't so popular.....I read that BA made more sales than RJ on wikipedia...
It was and it did. Anyway, everyone is restating things that have already been said, over and over again. The idea that Duo comes back in SF is appealing, but not possible. Face it, Megaman Starforce 3 was the end just like it should be, period. Nothing beyond it is going to be better, it'll be the opposite.
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Aug 20 2011, 03:41 PM
It was and it did. Anyway, everyone is restating things that have already been said, over and over again. The idea that Duo comes back in SF is appealing, but not possible. Face it, Megaman Starforce 3 was the end just like it should be, period. Nothing beyond it is going to be better, it'll be the opposite.
Are you saying that that the SF series should just end?
Look Starforce was the new MM series after BN, and they made only 3 games about it. I think that's not enough. There should be another game. Just because Geo's dad is back, that doesn't mean that the whole SF series ends. And how do you know that Duo won't come back? He might, there is a chance you never know...
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It was and it did. Anyway, everyone is restating things that have already been said, over and over again. The idea that Duo comes back in SF is appealing, but not possible. Face it, Megaman Starforce 3 was the end just like it should be, period. Nothing beyond it is going to be better, it'll be the opposite.
Are you saying that that the SF series should just end?
Look Starforce was the new MM series after BN, and they made only 3 games about it. I think that's not enough. There should be another game. Just because Geo's dad is back, that doesn't mean that the whole SF series ends. And how do you know that Duo won't come back? He might, there is a chance you never know...
Yes, yes I am. The ending was just right, adding more would mean it getting "milked" as mentioned before. Duo? I DONT know if he will be back, IF there is a SF4 in the first place which already has its chances of being released cut down due to the aforementioned facts and statements in this thread.
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Aug 21 2011, 03:58 PM
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It was and it did. Anyway, everyone is restating things that have already been said, over and over again. The idea that Duo comes back in SF is appealing, but not possible. Face it, Megaman Starforce 3 was the end just like it should be, period. Nothing beyond it is going to be better, it'll be the opposite.
Are you saying that that the SF series should just end?
Look Starforce was the new MM series after BN, and they made only 3 games about it. I think that's not enough. There should be another game. Just because Geo's dad is back, that doesn't mean that the whole SF series ends. And how do you know that Duo won't come back? He might, there is a chance you never know...
Yes, yes I am. The ending was just right, adding more would mean it getting "milked" as mentioned before. Duo? I DONT know if he will be back, IF there is a SF4 in the first place which already has its chances of being released cut down due to the aforementioned facts and statements in this thread.
Agreed.And I will show the statements before someone ask it.

1. Lack of interest for Capcom to continue.(other projects to focus on)
2. Low number of sells (Way lower than BN)
3. Lack of any fame actually (Way lower than BN)


As I said,BN outclassed SF in almost every aspect(Number of sells,fame,and IMO,Gameplay)

No reason to continue,like the OSS is actually showing us that SF died.
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"What you and I see are totally different.
All you're seeing is life. You don't understand death at all. That's why you can't kill me, and you're only able to kill a weakened woman.
If you could see death, you couldn't maintain your sanity. All you can perceive is the part which keeps things alive.
If you could see death——you couldn't even manage to stand.
... Being able to see the 'death' of things mean you're forced to see the world's fragility and uncertainty.
The ground is like it's not there, and the sky seems about to fall at any moment.
... You don't know of the illusion that the whole world could perish in an instant.
That is what it means to see death. These eyes, this power isn't something you can boast about like you did.
That's your mistake, vampire. Life and death may be back to back, but they shall never face each other.
I'll show you.
This is what it means to kill something."
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relax guys....if they release SF4 will see...eveybody has opinion and stuff...but i'm starting to believe that SF won't come back....L C and Arthur know how to convince xD
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If they were to make an SF4, I think bringing duo back would seem too easy and cheap a plot point for me.

My idea may be complicated but What I think should happen is that it links SF with the BN series. Years after BN6 in the final battle with Megaman.EXE and Bass.EXE Lan manages only to contain Bass as for the past 6 games he could not be killed. Skip to present day in SF, Bass finally breaks out and defeats the Colonel program who has protected the net and guarded bass all this time and the deletes the Iris program which continuously expanded the net to its current wave world form, thus causing problems for the EM dependent society.

Bass vowing revenge on the human race for imprisoning him finds an old copy bot and then uses hit Get ability program on a wizard thus being able to manifest himself in the Wave Road.

Then Lan foreseeing this event had Megaman.EXE and other trusted navi's stored away till needed again. So Megaman.EXE wakes up goes in a copy bot and works at WAZA as the new scientist introduced into the story by Dr. Goodall with the alias Dr. Hubert as she likes to give nicknames. Then eventually meets up with Megaman SF, and will help him out in the wave world with his created wizard program X, when fused with Hub they become Megaman X. (An excuse to have traditional BN and the newer SF gameplay in the same game)

Other plot points I have in mind include:

Some evil person finds the prison where Bass was held offers his help but in the process also copies all of Bass' stored copy powers from different navis into new Wizards (an excuse to fight old BN foes) Bass works with person at first till Bass does as Bass always does.

Bass' get ability is actually based of Mu tech that Dr Cossack discovered (his slashed navi symbol turning out to be the Mu symbol) so Rouge protects Bass.

Megaman SF could fuse with all the past ally navis while the new Megaman X could fuse with all the new villains.

Anyone willing to give their thoughts on my idea for a new SF4?
What you are saying is completely wrong for me. We're talking about the "Starforce" series, not the Battle network series. Battle network is long over now, and I'm pretty sure that Capcom won't bring BN back. What I think is that they should bring Duo back into SF, so he can test the humans once more, like how he said in BN4 that he will pass their planet again and test them. But if they don't do that, then Duo saying that in BN4 would completely be pointless for me. Also, the fact that you want BN to link with SF, is totally wrong for me. I now it's just your ideas but still...
I see where your coming from but I guess I just felt it kinda cheap for SF to not really link with BN with any real way, At least the original megaman was linked to the X series. I understand that in the 1st SF game we saw the PET's all in the dump but am I really supposed to believe that the copybots magically disappeared from existence or that something as powerful as Megaman.EXE and Bass.EXE just magically stopped existing.

Well regardless I'll be happy with an SF4 or a new series as long as the gameplay is similar enough.
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Apr 17 2011, 07:51 PM
Frankly, I don't see Star Force nor EXE recieving a new entry. Star Force 3 had a fairly conclusive ending - and I see you guys have already argued with this to death.

I would like to point out, however, that if they had any intent of creating a Star Force 4, they would have done it instead of releasing OSS two years ago, and if they still had any intent on creating Star Force 4 afterwards, they would have done it and released it last year instead of working on Legends 3.

And now that the 3DS is out... The ship is sailing for any chances of a Star Force 4.

There is no way that Star Force is going to jump handheld platforms for a full-fledged new entry, three or four years after its previous installment to boot (or at least what is going to be three or four years after the development of Legends 3 is done). That's not even mentioning that Star Force doesn't even have anywhere near the level of backing that EXE had. And even EXE did not jump from the GBA to the DS for a full-fledged entry, even though it could have easily done so since the DS had already been out for around 2 years by the time the series ended. EXE 5 Twin Leaders and OSS do not count for obvious reasons.

With the 3DS... Capcom is far more likely to start working on a new Network series outright.
Don't forget, Original Megaman got continued onto the Wii shop channel, so while it's very slim, there is a chance that Megaman Starforce might make a comeback. IF Capcom decides to continue it.
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Many good points were made throughout the thred. My opinion is that there sould be one more to wrap things up entirely. SF was fun, but BN was far better. I would also like to see a newer story about Lan's and Maylu's kid, Patch (as I think was stated at the end of BN6), and continue it from there with more remade characters like Crash Man, Ballad, and even Classic 9 and 10 bosses. I even have my own storyline about it thought up.

Duo would be interesting to see in SF, but unlikely, as stated.

Anyway, there is the possibility of renegade FMian rebels that attacks earth under anothers beconing. There are also some characters I wish to see, like Cassiopia, Scorpio, and possibly even into mythological characters like Thor and Zeus. There's also the chance of Noise beings that attack Earth (SF styled Darkloids equivalent) lead by a Noise god (like Le Mu being EMian god of Mu). Any way Capcom goes, I'm game for it.

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According to How the SF3 Story went going on about How Man is costing themselves in exchange for EM Technology, by Emitting Noise was pretty Apocalyptic. If that doesn't spell "kill me " I don't know what does. Anyway besides that statement I want a sequel as well, as long as it isnt rushed and the gameplay focuses on Online Multiplayer, we got our gold of storylines, grinding and hopeless item searching. Majority doesn't like Starforce so I would vote concepting towards PVP. I guess it can have an EXE6 length story, but online is where it sticks nowdays.
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